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Some very good and thought provoking questions here. I hope I can answer clearly.

First I have not read your thread word-for-word, and can only read in English. I do not disagree with what I have read, but I interpret Isaiah 29:12 differently.

I own the NASB version of the Bible. I believe it is a more literal English translation. I also like the King James version. Any Bible is good to read however, depending on your understanding. I started with the Living Translation..

The Bible is God's word to us, penned by those He chose for this purpose, and preserved faithfully to us today without alteration to its meaning in anyway. Yes, there are some minor errors in translation, no they do not change God's message to you and me one bit. This is confirmed by comparing the ancient scrolls in Hebrew and Greek (see Kimran scrolls). Attempts have been made to alter the Bible, none have prevailed that I am aware off. There are some other books such as the Book of Mormon and the Apocrypha. These are not of God and are easily tested.

The Hebrew and Greek text is free from mistakes. It has been painstakingly looked after. The Bible, no mater what language, is free from contradicting verses. The Bible is the Holy Word of God. Small translation errors do not reduce it's effect. God is bigger than this. God wants everyone to know Him and His Word.

Evidence that Jesus was sent to the whole world is HUGE. I suggest you read the Gospel accounts; the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. But I dedicate the rest of this message a small sampling of evidence:

First, Jesus went to Samaria and spoke to none Jews there. Even in Jerusalem He witnessed to Romans and Jews alike. In Jerusalem, people from all over the known world gathered. They could have listened to Jesus if they chose, just like people can choose to do so today. We all have that choice, and always have had that choice.

Millions of Christians claim to know Him. He reveals Himself to people of all nationalities today.

SCRIPTURE:

John 4:42
This is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

John 1:29
Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

He sent His disciples into the world specifically. Matthew 5:14.

Matthew 13:38 has Jesus as the sower, and the feild is described as the world
"Then He left the crowds and went into the house and His disciples came to Him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field”. And He said, "The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom"".

In Matthew 24:14 Jesus said: “This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come". (The Gospel is the Good News that Jesus has come to save us).

Mark 16:15
And He (Jesus) said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

John 3:17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved.

The Scriptures are endless on this. There is also some in the Old Testament too. But I will end here and hope you enjoy your reading. I have enjoyed this thread. I would be happy to meet with any of you who are reading this.

God bless you all. His peace be with you.
His love in your hearts.

Brendan.
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The simple answer is that the Father is always superior in some way to the Son. But more than that, Jesus took on HUMAN form. This must have limited Him even further. Example, a lake cannot all fit into a glass of water. How could God put His whole Self into human form? So Jesus needed to stay connected to the Father, as you have shown throught the scriptures quoted.

Such was the sacrifice Jesus made to come to earth to show us the way to live.
"in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him..." John 1:1-3
This is clarifying the pre-existence of Jesus, who is the Word, and confirms His deity. It also explains how all things were made, or even how people were healed through Him, but by God. Nothing was made without Jesus, but they were made by God. Through Him but by the Father. Therefore Jesus existed in more than just thought or in God's plan. He was real and live and functioning since before creation.

"...in Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it." John 1:4-5.
Jesus was God on earth: "He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him". John 1:10
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us..."John 1:14
Our saviour: "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who belive in His name..."
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Before I reply you, it would be generous from you to answer my questions above. We dont like to leave questions unanswered because the readers are enjoying this thread and want to know your position as a Christian


To make it easy, below are my questions

Do the miracles which jesus did by God's permission make him God

What is the word for God in Hebrew

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To make it easy, below are my questions

Do the miracles which jesus did by God's permission make him God

What is the word for God in Hebrew
Sorry I did not answer your questions.

Yes the Miracles Jesus did make Him God.

But what really makes Jesus God is that God says so in His own Word to us.

Many Christians pray for healing and it happens. This does not make them God. But only God can raise Himself from the dead. Jesus rose from the dead on the third day after His death.

There are other miracles that the priests could not do. Only Jesus. But it is written that Satan can copy some of these miracles and fool us. Such as healing. But he cannot raise people from the dead. Satan has no power over death, only God.

God's name is YHWH
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One more point to think about is thet the proper word for God is Allah. Do you know why? I will tell you with ease

Wikipedia defines the term God like this

God most commonly refers to the deity worshipped by followers of monotheistic and monolatrist religions, whom they believe to be the creator and ruler of the universe

In Dictionaries God defines as
a superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature and human fortunes

Or

a greatly admired or influential person


So you see the term God can be given to any object that is worshipped. The Hindous, for instance, have hundreds of gods like Rama



god blesses you all
I’m not sure that I understand your explanation. You say that you can show me that Allah is God. How?

Wikipedia and the dictionaries were written after the Bible, and most likely NOT written by people who follow either the Bible or the Quran. Therefore it probably uses the Popular Use of the term “god”

“god” is a generic term (non specific) meaning a deity. These are man-made gods.

The Bible also tells us that “god” means man-made. It means the same as an idol. They are usually made of wood or stone.

In the Bible God (capital G) is the one and only God. His name is YHWH. This name is so sacred the Bible writers usually do not use it. They prefer to use LORD where ever YHWH is used in the Scriptures. YHWH means IAM THAT IAM. He is known therefore as The Great I AM.

YHWH is pronounced Yahweh, and is translated in English to Jehovah.
The English language is newer than Hebrew and in some cases does not have a word to accurately translate the Hebrew. YHWH is one of these words.

So: Christians call God YHWH;
Muslims call God Allah;
Hindus have millions of gods (idols) each with their own name. These are not Gods of course, they are gods
Confucius said there is no God. Many Buddhists believe there is no God, only Nirvana which is a state of desirelessness. (To desire desirelessness is in itself a desire!)

So the question is how can we know you are right? Please convince me that Allah is God.

This would be a real challenge. I know that YHWH is God. He has confirmed that to me, and He has separately confirmed that to my wife. (My wife had a similar experience to me, but she had always hoped that God would be Buddha, she did not like the Christian God at all. But now she knows He is God, and knows Buddha is an idol. How does she know? From personal experience with God).

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The way Muslims worship Allah

Ablution, bowing, kneeling, prostration, and fasting are strange to non-Muslims but not to prophets

In Exodus 40:31-32
And Moses and Aaron and his sons washed their hands and their feet thereat; when they went into the tent of the congregation, and when they came near the altar, they washed; as the Lord commanded Moses

ablution
In Acts 21:26
Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple


bowing, keenling, prostration, and without shes
In Psalm 95:6
O come, let us worship and bow down; ket us kneel before the Lord our maker

In Joshua 5:14
And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and did worship

In 1 Kings 18:42
And Elijah went up to the top of Carmel; and he cast himself down upon the earth, and put his face between his knees

In Exodus 3:5 and Acts 7:33
And he God said to Moses: Draw not night hither: put off their shoes from off their feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground
I see many Christians doing these acts of worship. Some lay on the floor in church for hours. Some do this at home also. It is very common for Christians to prostrate themselves before God. But not so common to do it in public. That is a cultural difference, not a religious one.
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A confusion in the geneology of Jesus

In Deuteronomy 32:2 Jesus said
A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord

Christians believe that Jesus has a family relationship with prophet David as it is mentioned in 2 Timothy 2:8 when Paul said
Remember that Jesus christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel

Thus, according to the bible, we can conclude that Jesus is the seed of prophet David. But how come Jesus is descended from a person (David) who had committed adultery. This is totally contradictory

If Jesus himself, according to the bible, said that a person who came from an illegal marriage will not enter the congregation of his Lord so how is it that his ancestor David is acused of adultery. It is contradictory and unbelievable
This is suggesting that Jesus came from an illegal relationship. This is impossible if you know of Jesus miraculous birth. David had an illegal relationship. But that was only effective for 10 generations as staed in Deuteronomy 32:2 above.

Jesus cannot be condemned in this way. He is without sin and the only One worthy of communion with God. It is through His holyness that we can also have communion with God.
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A prophecy not being fulfilled by Jesus, peace and blessings of Allah be upon Him

In Matthew 12:38-40

The Sign of Jonah
معجزة سيدنا يونس عليه السلام في بطن الحوت

38Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him (Jesus), "Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you."

39He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.

40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.



In the verses above, prophet Jesus is telling his people that He will not show them any other miracle except the miracle of prophet Jonah

Christians believe that Jesus was crucified for their sins on Friday and that is why the have Good Friday. They say Good Friday is good because on this day they remember Jesus and how he sacrificed his life for their sins...... totally illogial

Anyway, christians believe that Jesus was dead in his grave three days and three nights and he was resurrected on Sunday, the Easter Holiday

Now, come in and let us examine verse 40 which says "as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale so shall the son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."




This means that Jesus, according to their own scripture, will be buried for three days and three nights. We as Muslims believe that prophet Jonah was alive in the whale's belly and so do the Christians. Amazingly, the Christians say that jesus was dead three days and three nights and on Sunday Easter was resurrected. Here is something contradictory!!

Jesus said, according to verse 40, he will be alive in his tomb for 3 days and 3 nights but the Christian fellows say No, he was Dead

This is contradictory and this means that jesus was liying, which is not true, or people misunderstood the verses, which is the case here




Some clever christian fellows would say Jesus was emphasising the Time Factor (Three days and Three nights). Let us accept that for a while and rexamine the verses again

According to Jewish calender, the day starts at sunset as Muslims do too. In other words, Friday 6pm, for instance, is the begining of Saturday day

all christians agree that Jesus was crucified on Friday. When the Jewish soldiers put Jesus on the cross and put him down they were in a hurry. Some one may ask WHY


That is because of the Sabbath day. Saturday is a holy day for the Jews and they are not allowed to do any work on this day but to rest as they claim that God took a rest on Saturday. they are alson not allowed to keep any person hung on a cross or a tree so that is why they were in a hurry in putting Jesus on the cross and putting him down




Now Let us turn back to the idea of Time Factor

Jesus was crucified on Friday, so let us count the days and nights Jesus were in his grave


Friday night is: First Night
Saturday day: First Day
Saturday night is: Second Night




Sunday morning is the day where Jesus was risen up from the dead according to christian scriptures



Now you see even the Time Factor does not give a credit to the claim of the christians that Jesus did indeed fulfill this prophecy





May Allah bless prophet Jesus
May Allah guide them to the truth
The Bible does NOT say Jesus was crucified on Friday. The Scripture tells us it was a special week in which there were festivals. Remember this was just after Passover. The very next day. So do not think that Friday was the day. this is how we celebrate Easter today but is not Biblical. Neither are Easter eggs or Christmas trees Biblical. And Jesus birthday was NOT in December which is when we have Christmas. The dates are convenient but not Biblical. Jesus was three days dead my friend. I know it because God says it.
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Dear brother Brendaren

I appreciate your hard working in pursuing the truth and defending your religion in a nice manner. This what I call a Godly person, good on you

Because you did not give me the honour to take your words for granted, I felt it would be nice from me to share with you what I know about the Holy Bible.

Saying with confidence that the Bible does not contain and contradicting verses is difficult because we do not expect Christians to memorize the whole Bible and read it attentively. I dont even expect the Pop to know everything about the Bible or memorize it all. That is because you have many versions of the Bible and there are no two identical. When I refer to a version I do not mean a transelation because they are different.

so because you dont know whether the Bible is 100% accurate and free from any contradicting verses, I decided to help you and enlighten you. This is might be a discovery for you that you would like to share it with your wife and friends and most importantly your church fellows. I bothered myself to give you the context of the verses so you can see the difference clearly. Below are examples of contradicting verses from the Holy Bible



І Chronicles 18:9-10
1 In the course of time, David defeated the Philistines and subdued them, and he took Gath and its surrounding villages from the control of the Philistines.
2 David also defeated the Moabites, and they became subject to him and brought tribute.
3 Moreover, David fought Hadadezer king of Zobah, as far as Hamath, when he went to establish his control along the Euphrates River. 4 David captured a thousand of his chariots, seven thousand charioteers and twenty thousand foot soldiers. He hamstrung all but a hundred of the chariot horses.
5 When the Arameans of Damascus came to help Hadadezer king of Zobah, David struck down twenty-two thousand of them. 6 He put garrisons in the Aramean kingdom of Damascus, and the Arameans became subject to him and brought tribute. The LORD gave David victory everywhere he went.
7 David took the gold shields carried by the officers of Hadadezer and brought them to Jerusalem. 8 From Tebah [a] and Cun, towns that belonged to Hadadezer, David took a great quantity of bronze, which Solomon used to make the bronze Sea, the pillars and various bronze articles.
9 When Tou king of Hamath heard that David had defeated the entire army of Hadadezer king of Zobah, 10 he sent his son Hadoram to King David to greet him and congratulate him on his victory in battle over Hadadezer, who had been at war with Tou. Hadoram brought all kinds of articles of gold and silver and bronze

ІІ Samuel 8:9-10

1 In the course of time, David defeated the Philistines and subdued them, and he took Metheg Ammah from the control of the Philistines.
2 David also defeated the Moabites. He made them lie down on the ground and measured them off with a length of cord. Every two lengths of them were put to death, and the third length was allowed to live. So the Moabites became subject to David and brought tribute.
3 Moreover, David fought Hadadezer son of Rehob, king of Zobah, when he went to restore his control along the Euphrates River. 4 David captured a thousand of his chariots, seven thousand charioteers [a] and twenty thousand foot soldiers. He hamstrung all but a hundred of the chariot horses.
5 When the Arameans of Damascus came to help Hadadezer king of Zobah, David struck down twenty-two thousand of them. 6 He put garrisons in the Aramean kingdom of Damascus, and the Arameans became subject to him and brought tribute. The LORD gave David victory wherever he went.
7 David took the gold shields that belonged to the officers of Hadadezer and brought them to Jerusalem. 8 From Tebah [b] and Berothai, towns that belonged to Hadadezer, King David took a great quantity of bronze.
9 When Tou [c] king of Hamath heard that David had defeated the entire army of Hadadezer, 10 he sent his son Joram [d] to King David to greet him and congratulate him on his victory in battle over Hadadezer, who had been at war with Tou. Joram brought with him articles of silver and gold and bronze.

Tori or Tou, Joram or Hadoram, Hadadezer or Hadarezer?

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І Chronicles 21:1
1 Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel. 2 So David said to Joab and the commanders of the troops, "Go and count the Israelites from Beersheba to Dan. Then report back to me so that I may know how many there are."

ІІ Samuel 24:1
1 Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, "Go and take a census of Israel and Judah."

Who commanded David to number the Isrealites?


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І Samuel 28:6
1 In those days the Philistines gathered their forces to fight against Israel. Achish said to David, "You must understand that you and your men will accompany me in the army."
2 David said, "Then you will see for yourself what your servant can do."
Achish replied, "Very well, I will make you my bodyguard for life."
3 Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had mourned for him and buried him in his own town of Ramah. Saul had expelled the mediums and spiritists from the land.
4 The Philistines assembled and came and set up camp at Shunem, while Saul gathered all the Israelites and set up camp at Gilboa.
5 When Saul saw the Philistine army, he was afraid; terror filled his heart.
6 He inquired of the LORD, but the LORD did not answer him by dreams or Urim or prophets.
7 Saul then said to his attendants, "Find me a woman who is a medium, so I may go and inquire of her."
"There is one in Endor," they said.


І Chronicles 10:14
8 The next day, when the Philistines came to strip the dead, they found Saul and his sons fallen on Mount Gilboa. 9 They stripped him and took his head and his armor, and sent messengers throughout the land of the Philistines to proclaim the news among their idols and their people. 10 They put his armor in the temple of their gods and hung up his head in the temple of Dagon.
11 When all the inhabitants of Jabesh Gilead heard of everything the Philistines had done to Saul,
12 all their valiant men went and took the bodies of Saul and his sons and brought them to Jabesh. Then they buried their bones under the great tree in Jabesh, and they fasted seven days.
13 Saul died because he was unfaithful to the LORD; he did not keep the word of the LORD and even consulted a medium for guidance,
14 and did not inquire of the LORD. So the LORD put him to death and turned the kingdom over to David son of Jesse.

Did he inquire and seek guidance from the lord or not?


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І kings 7:26
13 King Solomon sent to Tyre and brought Huram, [g] 14 whose mother was a widow from the tribe of Naphtali and whose father was a man of Tyre and a craftsman in bronze. Huram was highly skilled and experienced in all kinds of bronze work. He came to King Solomon and did all the work assigned to him.
15 He cast two bronze pillars, each eighteen cubits high and twelve cubits around, [h] by line. 16 He also made two capitals of cast bronze to set on the tops of the pillars; each capital was five cubits [i] high. 17 A network of interwoven chains festooned the capitals on top of the pillars, seven for each capital. 18 He made pomegranates in two rows [j] encircling each network to decorate the capitals on top of the pillars. [k] He did the same for each capital. 19 The capitals on top of the pillars in the portico were in the shape of lilies, four cubits [l] high. 20 On the capitals of both pillars, above the bowl-shaped part next to the network, were the two hundred pomegranates in rows all around. 21 He erected the pillars at the portico of the temple. The pillar to the south he named Jakin [m] and the one to the north Boaz. [n] 22 The capitals on top were in the shape of lilies. And so the work on the pillars was completed.
23 He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits [o] from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits [p] to measure around it. 24 Below the rim, gourds encircled it—ten to a cubit. The gourds were cast in two rows in one piece with the Sea.
25 The Sea stood on twelve bulls, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south and three facing east. The Sea rested on top of them, and their hindquarters were toward the center.
26 It was a handbreadth [q] in thickness, and its rim was like the rim of a cup, like a lily blossom. It held two thousand baths. [r]


ІІ Chronicles 4:5
1 He made a bronze altar twenty cubits long, twenty cubits wide and ten cubits high. [a] 2 He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits [b] high. It took a line of thirty cubits [c] to measure around it. 3 Below the rim, figures of bulls encircled it—ten to a cubit. [d] The bulls were cast in two rows in one piece with the Sea.
4 The Sea stood on twelve bulls, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south and three facing east. The Sea rested on top of them, and their hindquarters were toward the center.
5 It was a handbreadth [e] in thickness, and its rim was like the rim of a cup, like a lily blossom. It held three thousand baths.

How many baths?



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John 17:12
I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. 11I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one. 12While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.


John 18:9
7Again he asked them, "Who is it you want?"
And they said, "Jesus of Nazareth."
8"I told you that I am he," Jesus answered. "If you are looking for me, then let these men go.
" 9This happened so that the words he had spoken would be fulfilled: "I have not lost one of those you gave me."[a]

Except one or None! Which is correct

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The Bible does NOT say Jesus was crucified on Friday. The Scripture tells us it was a special week in which there were festivals. Remember this was just after Passover. The very next day. So do not think that Friday was the day. this is how we celebrate Easter today but is not Biblical. Neither are Easter eggs or Christmas trees Biblical. And Jesus birthday was NOT in December which is when we have Christmas. The dates are convenient but not Biblical. Jesus was three days dead my friend. I know it because God says it.

If you think this is the correct thing about the prophesy that Jesus prophesised regarding his miracle your job now is to educate your fellows before it is late. The Muslims have nothing to bother themselves with

You know now some Christians sy that Jesus was crucified on Wednesday not Friday to proof that jesus was dead for three days and three nights. i would like to wait for the day where the Christian world will change Good Friday to good Wednesday, the day your Lord Jesus died for your sins
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This is suggesting that Jesus came from an illegal relationship. This is impossible if you know of Jesus miraculous birth. David had an illegal relationship. But that was only effective for 10 generations as staed in Deuteronomy 32:2 above.

Jesus cannot be condemned in this way. He is without sin and the only One worthy of communion with God. It is through His holyness that we can also have communion with God.

This information are all from your Bible and when you say that David had an illegal relationship, I dont know how you dare to accuse a mighty prohpet of God of adultery. We Muslims take an exception for that

i will not argue you with you in that but for your own suprise there are two other persons born illegitmately. In other words they are Bastard as some old versions of the Bible would call them. I will leave this task for you to figure out who are these two illigitmate Jesus's forfathers

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what a fruitfull discussion, please keep going and we'll post our questions afterwards

and could you please put some emphasis on the christian belief of the original sin as I find it a bit confusing especially when it come to whether christians are saved or only good practising christians are saved

isn't there any kind of punishment based on people's good deeds or sins
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Boy you make it tough. You are a good debater, and I enjoy debating, but I had no intention of getting into a point-by-point argument over Christianity Vs Islam, or detailed discussions on Scripture. I am not qualified to do this, I know little about Islam and you are obviously quite familiar with the Bible. You have me at a disadvantage my friend. It is good that you know the Bible and can compare this with what you know. I am glad that you have high intelligence and a good understanding and wit.

I do not even know your name or anything about you personally. Could you tell me a little about yourself?

My intention was only to share with you the reasons for my Christian faith. How I came to be a Christian, why I remain a Christian, and why I think it right. These points you seem to have little interest in. But instead you attack the Bible. I fear that if I did the same with the Quran I would be putting my life in danger. Isn't it therefore a credit to Christianity that you are allowed, and welcomed to reason with me over the content and authority of Scriptures. We have nothing to hide and welcome debate as it is healthy and can lead to the Truth.
Isn't it a credit to Christianity that you can challenge us and we will respond only with love.
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[COLOR="Blue"]Dear brother Brendaren

. I dont even expect the Pop to know everything about the Bible or memorize it all. .

Tori or Tou, Joram or Hadoram, Hadadezer or Hadarezer?
Being Pope does not make him Christian. Many Popes have not been Christian. Why do you think today's Pope is a Christian? Because he goes to church? Going to McDonalds does not make me a hamburger.
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[COLOR="Blue"]Dear brother Brendaren

so because you dont know whether the Bible is 100% accurate and free from any contradicting verses, Tori or Tou, Joram or Hadoram, Hadadezer or Hadarezer?
On the contrary my friend. You suppose to know me, but we have not met.

I have good sound knowledge and first-hand experience that the Bible is free from contradictions. I have already seen how many people have perceived contradictions within the Bible, only to discover that it is not a contradiction but a lack of knowledge or understanding on the part of the reader. Now I know you are intelligent. But perhaps others have led you to believe there are contradictions so this is now what you see. But diligent study and prayer (for it is God who gives understanding) will show you how accurate and trustworthy the Bible is.

First: I have read the Bible from cover to cover, every single word in order, as you would read a good book. This helps me to place all Scripture into context, to see how it relates to another Scripture earlier or later. The Bible is an amazing story, and so rich and pure and full. The story of God’s plan for mankind and man’s rebellion, and then God’s redemption for man.

Second: I have studied parts of it in depth. Including so-called “contradictions”.

Third: Bible scholars for centuries have confirmed these are not contradictions.

Fourth: Historically and scientifically the Bible has been shown to be the most accurate historical record we have. It is free from error and ahead of modern sciences. It revealed the position of earth, the spherical shape of earth, the 12 dimensions of the universe and the history of mankind long before science knew these things. If it is so accurate, why would we expect to see contradictions? Surely that is a contradiction in itself?

If I learned Arabic and read the Quran, would I be expected to understand it at once and not perceive fault with it? If I perceived fault, would you not say that I just did not have enough understanding and to keep studying it?

Here is another question for you. You do not have to answer, but: do you say that the Bible is not the Word of God Almighty? Can you prove that it is not? How can you know? Have you asked God Himself to reveal to you His Truth and His plan for you? Do we humans have the ability to know these things without God? Doesn’t God tell us to lean not on our own understanding?

I hope this brings us closer to the Truth and and closer to God Himself.

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;

Shalom, (God given peace and blessing),
Brendan.
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[QUOTE=ناصر الكندي;33026]І Chronicles 21:1
13 Saul died because he was unfaithful to the LORD; he did not keep the word of the LORD and even consulted a medium for guidance,
14 and did not inquire of the LORD. So the LORD put him to death and turned the kingdom over to David son of Jesse.

Did he inquire and seek guidance from the lord or not?

My friend, we have all done this. We can see a good thing here. God has shown us clearly the way of Truth.

To enquire of the LORD (YHWH) without getting an answer is not God’s fault, it is ours. It is like knocking on a door and then running away. Or, phoning a friend and hanging up before he answers. This is not an enquiry. It is disrespectful.

Scripture tells us clearly to wait upon the LORD. He will answer in His time frame, not in our time frame. Nowhere does Scripture tell us if we ask God and don’t get an answer when we want it then go somewhere else for an answer.

Clearly Saul was impatient, and afraid of what his enamies might do. Afraid people are not trusting God. God wants us to trust Him and not be afraid. Saul wanted to work to his own time frame and instead of waiting for God’s direction he went to a medium. Big mistake. This is not enquiring of God. But truthfully, how many of us wait for God’s direction before we decide what to do next?

By not answering Saul, God clearly wanted Saul to wait, stop what he was doing and press further into God. This was a time for seeking God, a time for intense prayer, and for seeking God’s will. How many of us do that when we should?

Instead Saul went away and asked someone else. Clearly he was intent on doing his own will no matter what. He did not want God, he wanted answers only. God does not want to be treated with disrespect like this. He wants us to want Him more than we want the answers.

For this Saul was punished. He was weak and paid the price. Haven’t we all done this at one time in our life? Are we like Saul sometimes? OK, we don’t go to mediums, that would be sin. But by not waiting for God to direct us, are we not sinning anyway?

We all need to learn from this to be patient and to seek God first, not just the answers we want when we want them. This is what a relationship with God is all about. When we have a relationship with someone we want to spend time with them – not just get answers from them. God is not our servant. God has shown us here that Saul’s heart was in the wrong place. That is, Saul’s heart was not right with God. By contrast David made big mistakes too, but his heart was right with God and so God redeemed him. And, gladly, we can see that now. God has shown us this so we don’t make the same mistake. (Remember I said that once I crossed a bridge when God was urging me not too? I paid the price, my family suffered. But God speaks in His time, not ours. He is God)

Zechariah 11:11
and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the LORD.
Psalm 37:9
For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.
Psalm 123:2
so our eyes wait upon the LORD our God, until that he have mercy upon us.
Isaiah 8:17
And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.
Isaiah 40:31
But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.
And there are many more Scriptures like this.

Bless you in the name of Yeshua (Jesus)
Brendan
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